Showing posts with label 1969 Topps Deckle Baseball. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 1969 Topps Deckle Baseball. Show all posts

Saturday, May 25, 2024

Cello, I Must Be Going

Not too long ago I took a look at the 1969 Baseball Cello packaging.  Well, Friend o'the Archive John Moran turned up another version of the display box that has a splash panel for the 1969 Deckles to complement the Magic Rub-Offs version already on file, so here ya go:


That scan was found at 4192cards.com, no surprise given the Pete Rose image on the front panel.  The Deckle wrapper looked like this in wax form:


That makes me wonder if the cello wrappers followed suit. Maybe, maybe not as I can't find an example but given how tough the blues  are, it's possible I'm just unable to find a scan at present.

Additionally, I assume (dangerous, I know) it's possible a cello wrapper version exists for the Magic Rub-Offs. Note that the wax wrapper variant which had instructions on them:


The graphics on applying the rub-off decals took the place of an ad:



I'm not sure what a display box would look like without an insert splash as the Magic Rub-Off version is blue-themed.

Saturday, June 19, 2021

Deckle Faced

 Here's something you don't see every day, an uncut sheet of the 1969 Deckle Baseball inserts:


I suspect there should be three more rows at the bottom and you can see some funkiness at the top right side border but it's an impressive sheet no matter. A full 33 card set is printed over the course of three rows and with the sheet having both the Wilhelm and Staub cards, we know this was part of the initial press run as those two were replaced by Jim Wynn and Joe Foy respectively, thereafter. 

Here is a 66 card proof sheet, also from the first press run-note the grayscale color bars (and blue for the fake sig).  There's also handwriting along the top and some arrows along the edges that must have been added by one or both of  Ben Solomon's or Woody Gelman's teams at Topps.
 

I'm not sure what "ALBAMARL" refers to-could be a specific printer or location of one (say Albemarle, Virginia), or perhaps a note as to the glossy finish or even something else entirely-hopefully someone can comment. The red color of that note matches Woody's predilection in that vein and he also indicated what the deckling should look like (kinda) by drawing it around El Tiante!   However the "33 to set" notation looks like it could have come from Ben Solomon's hand:




I can't make out what's printed along the lower left edge but it's seemingly not an indication of which slit the proof belongs with. Perhaps it's the brand name of the photo stock.

The 33 card array was laid out as follows; why Topps didn't just set it up in numerical order escapes me.  You got one insert per pack and it would seemingly be a little easier when composing the set:

17  10  12  27  7   18  8    31  19  28  1
20   9   33  25  11  4   22  32  29  30  26
13  21  14  15  2   24  23  3    5    6    16

I've shown other proofs for this set previously, or more likely in-house tests, and you can dive in here. There's a look at the issued variations and some other goodies at that linked post as well.

This looks like some of the "process" for making the Rod Carew Deckle:


And a little more (or less) for Richie Allen; check out the rounded corner version, like the Game cards from the year prior:


There's certainly plenty of nuances in what looks like a plain-old insert set, isn't there?

Saturday, June 20, 2020

Wax On, Wax Off

It's funny what's turned up in Topps packs over the years: plain white gum separators through the mid-50's, cello wrapped caramel in 1951 and a string of contest and premium offer cards in the late 50's into 1960.  Topps then moved into more familiar inserts starting with the 1960 Football cards, which for the most part ended in 1971 for Baseball and Football. In retrospect these were clearly sales stimulators so long as costs allowed. In 1967-69 though, something else made an appearance that not too many folks know about.

Ads, specifically in-house ads for upcoming inserts and sets, are what came in certain wax packs these three years. The first one I'm aware of is this little bit of wax paper from 1967, roughly the size of the era's penny Bazooka comics:


Love the Tigers player and his knowing look!  My research, which is admittedly a bit limited as I am just in the training wheels stage when it comes to the series-by series specifics of vintage Topps wax packs, shows the Pin-Ups were issued throughout the season (they are known in 2nd, 5th, 6th and 7th series cello packs for sure), so I'd imagine these were found in 1st series packs.

QUICK SAME DAY UPDATE:  I found this commencing with the Classified Ads in the March 1972 Issue of The Trader Speaks.  Same pitcher, slightly altered facially and on the uniform and I suspect Woody Gelman had a hand. He appeared, along with his battery mate, in TTS until the last Dan Dischley published issue came out in September 1983, save one or two occasions):



1968 brought an ad for the Game cards, complete with cursory instructions:


From Mantle, Mays and Aaron to Campy, who was a helluva player but not in the same zip code as those guys, and I suspect at least one other player, if not more, was named (see batter's ankles and feet at the top). The Game cards seem to have started showing up in 4th series packs, so these would be from the 3rd series. However, that wasn't all. The 6th and 7th series wax packs carried two tones of Football preview:


These are noticeably larger (much taller) than the Baseball waxy inserts and according to Darren Prince's 1993 Wrapper and Pack Guide, came in 6th and 7th series packs. Dig the commodity codes and fold lines - were these printed and actually folded in with the wrappers?! 1968 was the first combined NFL/AFL set issued by Topps and they clearly intended to make a big splash.

1969 seems to be the end year for the waxy inserts, possibly due to rising costs; remember, ten cent "cello" packs debuted this year to mimic the Baseball wax in a large scale pricing experiment and the dime wax pack debuted for real with the '69 Football release (and some Non-Sports issues).  Friend o'the Archive Dave Schmidt sent me a scan of the installment from '69 as I have not yet found one of these (the others are from my collection):


The Deckles debuted in Series 3 but there were also the Decal inserts in 1969 so it's possible another  ad insert exists for those.  Prince has the Decals ("Magic Rub-Offs" actually) as appearing in 2nd and 5th series packs so I'm not sure what's going on with that.

I've also just gotten this one in from across the pond, it's from Topps UK:


That little, oddly-fonted ID number off to the right says "UK 24" which didn't help with dating but I found a Footballer wrapper from 1979-80 over at the awesome Nigel's Webspace that helped zero in on it:


Sorry for the murk, I found a better scan of the offer, which is not an exact match to the insert but fairly close:


While being fairly non-conversant with the ins-and-outs-of the English First Division teams of the time, I did know Celtic & Rangers were both from the Scottish League so I had to do a little research. The last season Topps issued Scottish League cards was 1979-80 (in their own set) and the English League teams (first and second division) were in the set this wrapper enclosed. so the timing fit. I then found 21 of the 22 first division teams that played that season on the insert, missing only Bolton, which was by far the worst team in the league and ended up relegated (and likely just ignored by Topps UK) along with Bristol City and Stoke, both of which made the scarf cut as a booby prize I guess. This waxy insert must have part of the Bazooka Joe comic series over in the UK in either 1979-80 then, or the next season if they were burning off excess premiums.



Saturday, June 6, 2020

Here's An Idea

I'm in the midst of an extended series of posts that will probably begin to see the light of day in the next couple of weeks so today's effort is not going to involve a lot of heavy lifting.  I thought it would be fun to look at some of Woody Gelman's filing system today, namely the Idea Books he kept at Topps.

Woody had an extensive filing system and I'd imagine a pretty good amount of space at Brooklyn HQ by his notebooks, ephemera and whatnot.  He thought of this as part of his "idea retrieval" methods, which in a way are what the internet became well before anyone outside of ARPA or Bell Labs could grasp such a concept. Unfortunately, instead of being kept intact, these notebooks have been looted and pillaged over the years with all the pages and files being scattered across the hobby landscape with reckless abandon, stymying any hope of getting a complete picture painted. And so we have scraps...

Here's a neat one, possibly the earliest I've seen, 1955's Hocus Focus (large):


It's a little fuzzy and the infamous Woody all caps scrawl makes it even harder to read but above IDEA it says "Published" and the Item is "Photographic".  The Subclassification is "Hidden Pictures" and the See Under line has the set name.  This would not be consistent throughout Woody's long tenure at Topps, although he appears to have used mostly the same Idea page for his entire tenure with the company while inconsistently filling in the blanks. Having said that, the one I'll show next does not have any of the lined items off to the right, which looks like they tracked reaction from some group or groups of people (Topps execs, kids?) and some progress detail, which seems to be blank on most of the ones I've seen. I wonder if they kept a "clean version of some sets to show prospective licencees?

Here is "Copyright Merch." of a "test series", namely King Kong from 1965 (I have it as either '65 or 1966 but no matter this seems to cinch it at the earlier year), that got pulled when Donruss got the licensing deal.


Tattoos? Got ya covered (sorry) with 1967's Dr. Doolittle, unclear why it's not "licensed merchandise" though:


I'll close with perhaps the most interesting one of all:


"Inserts Types" is what this is, and yes that is a 1964 Topps Giant Size Sandy Koufax cropped excerpt shrunk down to the size of a 1969 Deckle. This makes me think the original idea was to do this almost-great insert in color, which would have been stupendous.  I suspect color would have been a bit more expensive though, in a year of chaos and cost (a lot of pictures had to be takes once the MLBPA agreed to an enhanced deal with Topps and due to the expansion that year). No clue what 27-B means though in the Progress Record.

Pretty neat, eh?

Wednesday, August 19, 2009

The Deckle is in the Details

When I posted at the end of May on the 1969 Topps Deckles, I figured it would be a pretty innocuous piece and for the most part I was correct. What I didn't realize at the time though, was that there was a pattern to how the cards were originally ordered, thanks to an e-mail from friend o' the archive Duke, who alerted me to the reasoning behind the two pulled cards and their corresponding replacements.

Wilhelm had actually changed teams when the yet-to-play-a-game Royals packed him off to the Angels on December 12, 1968. This left a hole that was made bigger by the the corresponding trade of Rusty Staub from Houston to Montreal early in the New Year as Topps was including players from the two dozen ML teams in '69.

Now, as you can see from the checklist below, the set was originally ordered by AL teams and then NL teams, alphabetically by city. But when Wilhelm and Staub were pulled, Wynn and Foy were placed out of sequence. Here look:

1
ROBINSON, B. BALTIMORE ORIOLES
2
POWELL BALTIMORE ORIOLES
3
HARRELSON, K. BOSTON RED SOX
4
YASTRZEMSKI BOSTON RED SOX
5
FREGOSI CALIFORNIA ANGELS
6
APARICIO CHICAGO WHITE SOX
7
TIANT CLEVELAND INDIANS
8
McLAIN DETROIT TIGERS
9
HORTON DETROIT TIGERS
10
FREEHAN DETROIT TIGERS
11
WILHELM KANSAS CITY ROYALS
11
WYNN HOUSTON ASTROS*
12
CAREW MINNESTOTA TWINS
13
STOTTLEMYRE NEW YORK YANKEES
14
MONDAY OAKLAND ATHLETICS
15
DAVIS, T. SEATTLE PILOTS
16
HOWARD, F. WASHINGTON SENATORS
17
ALOU, F. ATLANTA BRAVES
18
KESSINGER CHICAGO CUBS
19
SANTO CHICAGO CUBS
20
HELMS CINCINNATI REDS
21
ROSE CINCINNATI REDS
22
STAUB HOUSTON ASTROS
22
FOY KANSAS CITY ROYALS*
23
HALLER LOS ANGELES DODGERS
24
WILLS MONTREAL EXPOS
25
KOOSMAN NEW YORK METS
26
ALLEN, R. PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES
27
CLEMENTE PITTSBURGH PIRATES
28
FLOOD ST. LOUIS CARDINALS
29
GIBSON ST. LOUIS CARDINALS
30
FERRARA SAN DIEGO PADRES
31
McCOVEY SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
32
MARICHAL SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS
33
MAYS SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS

I'd say the Cardinals got short shrift and the Giants made out pretty well but the disruption of the alphabetical sequences is odd. Nonetheless, here's the deckle of Willie Mays, in a classic pose I have always liked:



I'll be more alert when discerning the patterns within patterns Topps was creating in my future endeavors.

Thursday, May 28, 2009

Be-deckled

Topps was in the middle of a nice run of inserts in 1969 and as the 3rd series of baseball cards hit store shelves in late spring 40 years ago (!), the youth of America tore apart their wax packs to find a small set of "crinkle cut" (to use the British cartophilic term) black-and-white player photos. Topps would also issue a set of 48 full color decals in '69 that mimicked the regular card design but I have found conflicting evidence as to whether those came with 2nd or 5th series cards but which make them fodder for another day. The Deckles likely were continued into the 4th series packs, for reasons that will become evident.

The photos are printed on white stock and have a gel gloss coat somewhere between that of a regular card and a real photograph. The deckling is similar on all cards and they measure 2 1/4" x 3 1/4" or standard insert size for the era. While the set is a bear to put together in nice shape (say NM or better), in lower grades it can be had for under three figures. As you will see though, centering and printing issues make high grade examples scarce. Here is Hall of Famer Hoyt Wilhelm, in all his off-centered, scratched-up glory (the stippling is a scanner artifact):



Now this card (#11) would join with that of Rusty Staub (#22) and be replaced mid run for reasons that are unclear to me. Jimmy Wynn would take over the 11 slot:



But why? Neither Wilhelm nor Wynn changed teams during what must have been late winter production of these and Hoyt already had a logoless cap and non-descript uniform in the photo. Perhaps Wynn actually replaced Staub in that he represented the Astros following the January 8th trade of Rusty to the Expos (the first in a series of events that would make him the beloved Le Grande Orange). Here is Rusty now (one of my favorite players by the way and a true humanitarian):



I can see why Rusty's uni top might warrant a change following the trade but to replace him with Joe Foy (the other #22)? Madness!



It's not like the back of the card mentioned the team either:



Plus there was the matter of the checklist, which Topps helpfully added to the reverse of the 3rd Series regular-issue version:



You can plainly see Wilhelm and Staub were part of the initial subjects. Their replacements are harder to find so their print run was lesser and likely later. It has been imparted to me that the Wynn and Foy cards only were issued on the west coast, which may indicate they were inserted in a second run of 3rd series packs or in 4th series packs, although the series' would have been blended by Topps, as was their wont back then. There is some type of connection between tougher cards from the late 60's and 7-11 stores I need to suss out someday that may explain why the west got the two tougher deckles.

The wax wrapper heralded the inserts:


(from Ebay)

I take exception to the license taken with the word "real" but no matter.

Deckles were proofed in late 1968 (sans application of pinking shears) and the autographs can be found in red, blue or black as you can see from these nicked scans (sorry, I can't find a scan of the black).






These are out there as panels or singles if you look hard enough; only the nine players on the sheets above are known. For the most part, the players and poses did not carry through to the regular set, Yaz being a major exception.

Topps' Canadian arm O-Pee-Chee pared down the deckle set in quantity (24) , size (2 1/8" x 3 1/8"), quality (no gloss to speak of) and even detail (blank backs and black autographs):



Deckles would re-appear in larger format five years later, as previously discussed, but in 1969 they were a neat little insert that had a few problems but ultimately went on to become a classic; much like a certain baseball team from that summer and fall.

Tuesday, April 28, 2009

Deckle The Halls

Well, it has been quite the week here at Topps Archives World HQ. There has been some significant information flow on a number of fronts, which will be addressed in the coming weeks. Today though, I turn to thoughts of deckle edges, vintage 1974. As many of you know, Topps first inserted small black and white cards with deckled edges in their 1969 baseball packs. These measure about 2 1/4" x 3 1/4" deckle-to-deckle, a standard size for inserts at the time. It is quite a nice set, has a couple of variations but is utterly common. Here is one for comparative purposes: The backs resemble those of the 1969 Super Baseball: The smooth, still white back is indicative of quality photo stock being used to print these and the deckles have held up well over the years. In 1974, Topps issued a set of 72 postcard sized (about 2 7/8" x 5" deckle edged cards in test packs. The cards had more black-and-white definition than the 69's, which tend to grayer tones, and the fronts are nicely glossed: The trick with these is on the back; there are gray and white back varieties of each card: More mystery lurks on the front of the white backs though: While the pitting and chipping on this Matlack card is unfortunate, it helps detail what I can only describe as a "tacky" gloss on the white back obverses. It is far stickier than I am sure Topps wanted and my theory is they had to reprint the set using the gray backs. Perhaps there was an interaction between the gloss and the cardboard stock used (which does not quite appear to be photo stock quality on the whites, let alone the grays). Another theory is that the tacky gloss could have interfered with the gum within as the cards were sold with and without gum, three cards to a pack for a dime: (courtesy www.baseballwrappers.com) You can see the flap on the back of the test pack (plain white wax with a stickered label) listing the gum ingredients, a common way to seal these packs. Those without gum however, had no back sticker that I can determine, at least on the wrapper I have in my collection: It may have fallen off but the back flaps look untouched by anything else. Perhaps one of our readers knows for sure. The 74's, while not the easiest of sets to complete, follow the 70's vs. 60's rule-of-thumb concerning test issues as they can be found with a little bit of searching (60's test issues are generally much harder to find than those from the 70's). It is thought the 74's were sold in the Massachusetts area, perhaps indicating they were printed in the Bay State. I would not be surprised if they were sold in a couple of other areas as well but Massachusetts seems to be the local focal point. The 69's and their scarce straight-edge proofs will be posted about on another day, with details about their OPC brethren in both baseball and hockey flavors.